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45 Willys MB Buggy
« on: July 06, 2010, 08:55:21 PM »
I am building a buggy. :clap: :spin: :dance: :hj: :kiss2:


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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010, 08:58:46 PM »
pics or gtfo













* kkattfish waits for bb1 to ask for what the heck gtfo means....  :flipoff:
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2010, 09:02:22 PM »
Funny. You said start a build thread so I did.
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2010, 09:28:16 PM »
im so used to hearing people ask tits or gtfo, wierd not hearing the tits part.

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 05:17:06 AM »
Off your existing rig, or a completely seperate project?

OOPS!! i didnt read the Title :punchballs: So where r the pics?
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 08:18:29 AM »
lets hear your plans and what you have done so far...
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 09:03:42 PM »
Ok ok I was just giving Eryc (kkattfish) a hard time. :angel2:

This project has been in my head for probably three years now lets just say a long time. It started as a complete 45 Willys MB that I picked up for $80 yes that is correct. My plan was to restore the willys and enjoy it but I bought my TJ and everything changed from there. The willys sat and the TJ went through many builds over the years (damn thing is still going under the knife again). Back in the day I wheeled every weekend struggling to keep the Jeep up was getting old so I decided I needed two Jeeps so when one was down I was wheeling the other one. Addiction cost MONEY!!!!!

From concept in my head to where it is today has gone through many changes. Parts have been bought and then sold when I change my mind (just for the record I have made quit a bit of money doing this). Finally my drive train is picked out and I'm sticking with it cause this damn thing needs to get done.

So last year I decided if I build an engine I will have to get this done. I had the engine built and no sooner then I get it home I get laid off from work. (Fawkers) I got a new job the next day but I make $6 less an hour with out any benefits. Money is real tight so this build is going to take some tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime. I plan on sharing the whole build with you guys so just bare with me and hopefully enjoy the journey. Lee

I know I am going to catch s**t but it's late and I need to go so pics will follow tomorrow!!!!! Ok here is one. :wink2:

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 05:04:24 AM »
So what drivetrain you going for? I see the Chevy Motor. Trans, T-case, Axles?
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 09:28:45 AM »
awesome look forward to getting back over there to hear your crazy ideas :flipoff: 

looking forward to your build though
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 03:01:10 PM »
awesome look forward to getting back over there to hear your crazy ideas

What kind of Crazy Ideas going into this build???

I love to hear those!

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 09:15:21 PM »
Drive train is SBC 307- SM 465- Dana 300-Diamond Toyota front axle-14 bolt rear axle. Why a SBC 307, well this engine was built for torque and torque only. I did the research on it and it is a good little runner still better than a 305. If somebody wants the specs on it I can dig them up. The SM 465 started life as a two wheel drive tranny converted to four wheel drive. Dana 300 is stock with the twin stick setup. Toyota front axle is built for abuse time will tell if the little ring gear can hang. Rear axle has changed so many times but I am going to get a 14 bolt and do the six lug conversion. 39.5x13.50x17 Iroks is what I will be running for tires. 45 willys tub hood and grill along with title and vin number. Also a YJ frame cut in half to hold it all together. 105" or more will base is what I am shooting for.

pics of the drive train and the heart of the build my engine. cant wait to hear it run!
















The post that follow will give you a break down of where I'm at and how I got here. Lee

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2010, 05:30:07 AM »
Looks like a solid plan. Looking forward to watch this this build.
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010, 06:07:42 AM »
Hurry up man! :taunt:
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 06:16:52 AM »


307's got it goin' on...!

I see you still have that D20, huh?

Is the Diamond axle full width?  or are you gonna narrow the 14B?

Love the "double shear" steering arms!

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 05:40:56 PM »


307's got it goin' on...!

I see you still have that D20, huh?

Is the Diamond axle full width?  or are you gonna narrow the 14B?

Love the "double shear" steering arms!

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No the dana 20 has been gone for awhile. The pics are old just trying to get everything up to date. The front axle is 67" wide it's massive like a big boy axle. The tubes are 3 1/2" round 3/8 thick and the center section is 1/2" thick. When I do the six lug conversion on the 14 bolt I should lose a couple of inches on it. The double shear was done buy the prior owner but he did a good job. This pic should help with the width on the front axle. Lee



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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2010, 01:26:23 PM »
i can tell ur serious about this 4 wheelin thing i keep hearing about cuz that axle is no joke. Very nice!!!
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2010, 08:21:47 PM »
Ok, what I am going to do is give a break down of each component and what I have done to this point.

The engine as stated is a 307 sbc built by Standard Machine. Roger was a great person to work with and I would recommend this shop to anybody. I could have bought a 350 crate motor for way cheaper but it's built to factory specs and is boring. If you seen my engine in person you would notice all the little details that Roger does. $2700 is what it cost me for a long block built the way I wanted it. If you want all the little details then you will have to come over drink a beer and shoot the s**t.

Since it came home I haven't done much to it. I installed an Edelbrock intake and an electric water pump. The reason for the electric water pump is so I can keep the water flowing with the electric fans on while the engine is turned off. This will keep the temp from spiking in the summer and should let the engine live longer. Another good reason for the elec water pump is the flow doesn't change with the lack of RPM's like you get with the mechanical one. You should also notice the oil pan is a seven quart with a trap door in it to keep oil at the oil pump. I am also going to be looking at an oil accumulate for added security. TBI fuel injection was the plan but since money is so tight right now I will probably run the 470 cfm Truck Avenger carb just to get this thing running. MSD Ignition with the little distributer is also the plan. Shorty headers to dual flow masters for every body's listing pleasure.

So here are a couple of pics of the engine with the new stuff.







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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2010, 08:43:39 PM »
The transmission is a SM 465 2wd version. The reason for this trans is they have a 35 spline output way better than the 10 spline version. AA was used to bolt the Dana 300 to it. The Dana 300 is stock for now. Want to get some seat time to see if it will need lower gearing or not. I also bought a hyd clutch bell housing for this set up. Pics of the process.

The AA kit. $550

getting the yoke off.

Cutting the out put shaft down so the adapter will fit.





Have to change the bearing and input shaft on the transfer case.





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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2010, 09:13:29 PM »
What's the overall length of the trans and case with the bell housing on? I've been trying to decide what route to take on my 46 2A when I start working on it. Are you leaving it with the stock wheel base? I was thinking about stretching mine to make room under the hood. I like were your heading with this build!
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2010, 09:35:58 PM »
Looks like 34" from bell housing to end of yoke. As far as wheel base goes I am using half of a YJ frame and the rest will be all tube. Looking to get 105" or more. Once I get all the pics up you will have better understanding of what I am doing. I would like to see some pics of your willys if you got any.
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2010, 11:21:43 PM »
that sure is a neat way to get a Short drivetrain, I was gonna sk why not just get a 32 spline 465, but now I see why.

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2010, 08:38:29 AM »




Nice compact little drivetrain....!  not light... but compact.  Anyway you could weigh it?

Or maybe just do the math = 140  (SM465) and 90 (D300 w/ adapter) ~230 lbs or so??

Am I close?

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2010, 09:27:30 AM »
SM 465 is 175 pounds and the Dana 300 is 85 pounds. Anybody know the weight of a complete SBC?
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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2010, 09:38:36 AM »
Yes,

An Iron SBC will be just a scoche under 600 lbs...

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Re: 45 Willys MB Buggy
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2010, 10:00:20 AM »
Drive train rounded up = 900 lbs. Thanks Marv, might need this information in the future. :wink2:
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